Why Hmong Will Never Have Their Own Country

Jamie · 10-26-2006, 01:07 PM

Comfort

Hmong seem to be comfortable in their diaspora which means theres no need according to Hmong
for a country. "The idea is outdated" they think. "Its the 21st century, we cant do it" Montenegro?

Lack of Cohesion in the Community.

The truth of the matter is, most Hmong don't wanna share their slice of the pie with other Hmong.
There might be community in places like Minnesota, California, Paris etc but Hmong have been living in the
West for decades and as a result, have took the idea of Western individualism way too far. Chinese
are in the West, still keep their values. Koreans move to the West, still keep some of their values.
Hmong move to the West, its fu-k you and pay me when I see you. If Jews acted the same way
during the 1948 War, just imagine..they wouldnt have a Homeland today. Yes, thats not to say that they
were perfect, because there were was factions everywhere..but the factions that did form were smart enough
to know that no matter what our beliefs are, we are all aiming for one thing: a Jewish homeland.

Hmong don't have cohesiveness.

Lack of allys

During the early days and height of Zionist movement, Jews had much intellectual and politcal support from
the British. Hmong can't get this kind of support due the fact that Hmong are lacking in the intellectual arena and the few intellectuals that do exist don't think that a Hmong country is possible. Furthermore, Hmong seem to have this attitude that the World's boundaries have been laid and foundations have been set so that theres no more room for a Hmong country, but this is completely untrue. Once again, Montenegro is a prime example of this.

Few, if any, intellectual figures

As stated above, Hmong communities lack intellectual figures, and intellectual figures interested in
any sort of Hmong Independence movement or soverignty is nonexistant. Zionism was the main force for creating a Jewish homeland. Jewish (and some non-Jewish) intellectuals sought to create cultural, politcal, and societial foundations for their people. Jews further improved this by actively enacting the ideas of intellectuals in their growing communities.

Gimme my money

Like I stated in the beginning, with most Hmong its fu-k you and pay me when you see me.
This type of mentality ensures that Hmong never get a homeland. When the Jews finally held their little conf. and meetings, they realized that they couldnt take land through immediate force. So what did they do? They formed Jewish organizations and bought plots of farmland and created housing settlements and towns. Eventually, through small scale populating and organizations watching over these communities, Jews were able to convience the British to sign an agreement OKing the need for a Jewish homeland. Arabs werent too happy but the fact is that they knew their $hit.

All the fighting came later and they did have problems with the British, but the fact is that they were able to
secure land through legal means and got international support to do so.

With the fu-k you, pay me mentality, Hmong cant even achieve the first step.

Locations

Being a ethnic minority sandwiched between two Authoritarian regimes must be difficult, especailly for the
poor Hmong freedom fighters (prob less than 15 left) hiding out. Truth is, even if Hmong did get together and
finally decide to have better good will towards each other, neither China nor Laos would probably give it up easily, even if hmong were heavily populated there. Jews had the same issue early on. Many Zionist proposed places like Argentina, Russia, & even Nigeria and North Africa. What iam saying here is that somewhere, there are always options availible. The whole idea of comfort comes into play again. Most Hmong like to stay put and dont like to move when its time to move. Thailand's Isan region would be a ideal place then, especially since Thailand is a democratic country with voting abilities, this makes things like a referendum possible. Theres opportunity, will Hmong take it? Probably not.

Walley · 01-01-2007, 07:02 PM

So what does you give me money and mentality mean??

Quote:

Comfort

Hmong seem to be comfortable in their diaspora which means theres no need according to Hmong
for a country. "The idea is outdated" they think. "Its the 21st century, we cant do it" Montenegro?

Lack of Cohesion in the Community.

The truth of the matter is, most Hmong don't wanna share their slice of the pie with other Hmong.
There might be community in places like Minnesota, California, Paris etc but Hmong have been living in the
West for decades and as a result, have took the idea of Western individualism way too far. Chinese
are in the West, still keep their values. Koreans move to the West, still keep some of their values.
Hmong move to the West, its fu-k you and pay me when I see you. If Jews acted the same way
during the 1948 War, just imagine..they wouldnt have a Homeland today. Yes, thats not to say that they
were perfect, because there were was factions everywhere..but the factions that did form were smart enough
to know that no matter what our beliefs are, we are all aiming for one thing: a Jewish homeland.

Hmong don't have cohesiveness.

Lack of allys

During the early days and height of Zionist movement, Jews had much intellectual and politcal support from
the British. Hmong can't get this kind of support due the fact that Hmong are lacking in the intellectual arena and the few intellectuals that do exist don't think that a Hmong country is possible. Furthermore, Hmong seem to have this attitude that the World's boundaries have been laid and foundations have been set so that theres no more room for a Hmong country, but this is completely untrue. Once again, Montenegro is a prime example of this.

Few, if any, intellectual figures

As stated above, Hmong communities lack intellectual figures, and intellectual figures interested in
any sort of Hmong Independence movement or soverignty is nonexistant. Zionism was the main force for creating a Jewish homeland. Jewish (and some non-Jewish) intellectuals sought to create cultural, politcal, and societial foundations for their people. Jews further improved this by actively enacting the ideas of intellectuals in their growing communities.

Gimme my money

Like I stated in the beginning, with most Hmong its fu-k you and pay me when you see me.
This type of mentality ensures that Hmong never get a homeland. When the Jews finally held their little conf. and meetings, they realized that they couldnt take land through immediate force. So what did they do? They formed Jewish organizations and bought plots of farmland and created housing settlements and towns. Eventually, through small scale populating and organizations watching over these communities, Jews were able to convience the British to sign an agreement OKing the need for a Jewish homeland. Arabs werent too happy but the fact is that they knew their $hit.

All the fighting came later and they did have problems with the British, but the fact is that they were able to
secure land through legal means and got international support to do so.

With the fu-k you, pay me mentality, Hmong cant even achieve the first step.

Locations

Being a ethnic minority sandwiched between two Authoritarian regimes must be difficult, especailly for the
poor Hmong freedom fighters (prob less than 15 left) hiding out. Truth is, even if Hmong did get together and
finally decide to have better good will towards each other, neither China nor Laos would probably give it up easily, even if hmong were heavily populated there. Jews had the same issue early on. Many Zionist proposed places like Argentina, Russia, & even Nigeria and North Africa. What iam saying here is that somewhere, there are always options availible. The whole idea of comfort comes into play again. Most Hmong like to stay put and dont like to move when its time to move. Thailand's Isan region would be a ideal place then, especially since Thailand is a democratic country with voting abilities, this makes things like a referendum possible. Theres opportunity, will Hmong take it? Probably not.
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i_luv_Ssang · 01-02-2007, 06:25 AM

I think it would been sooo AWESOME if Hmong had their own country. I always wanted to experience the life of going to school with just Hmong students. However, I don't really care if we will never get our own country because people would probably just start killing each other to become the leader of the country. Just like now, how some people clan hates each other because they think they are the "true leader" in the Hmong people. But whatever, I am PROUD to be HMONG. =)

--Unforgettable-- · 01-12-2007, 04:42 PM

That speech was a little tough...I'm not sure if I should take it as a guide for me to better understand our Hmong behaviors and learn from it
or if you were just criticizing the hmong